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« Thread started on: Nov 25th, 2002, 08:49am » |
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Most of us are in the 16-25 age group, yes?
What do you think we'll be like when we get our shots at power, either literally the people on this board, or just our generation generally?
Do you reckon we'll maintain the, on the whole, centre based status quo, or move more to the poles?
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Re: My(our) generation in power...
« Reply #1 on: Nov 25th, 2002, 12:17pm » |
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Become Polorised. Though in my case, it will be towards Libertarian (not authoriterian values). In terms of Left Right, I intend to stay right where I am (dead centre of British Politics)
Many people on these boards (no naming of names) are already moving towards the Left or Right more extreme views. Not a pretty sight.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 25th, 2002, 1:54pm » |
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I too expect our generation of politicians to be somewhat more radical, either way, but not because of our generation's politically conscious nature, rather the opposite. The parties will have to get more extreme to court votes and power, as nothing short of extremity will attract the vast vast majority of our age group both now and in the future...
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 25th, 2002, 2:14pm » |
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The difficulty is in engaging our generation in Politics.
I'm lucky, I got involved in politics, work for political parties, go to conference and vote on measures (I even got the oppertunity to do a speech recently), and I have the oppertunity to stand in a local (and unwinable) seat in two years time. I'm involved.
But whilst I can say that to people on this forum...almost everyone I know falls asleep the moment I begin to talk about anything remotly political. My sister, who will have voting rights in a years time doesn't even know who the party leaders are. In a family conversation once, she once said "I know about politics...you're a member of that party led by that Scotish Block." I needed a stiff drink after that one.
The disinterest in current affairs. My A-Level Politics teacher insisted that we all watched Channel 4 news and/or Newsnight. Yet most of my peers tried to get through by watching Channel 5.
As for BBC Parliament. I used to watch some of the debates as they were broardcast...until my sister kept hiding the remote becuase (she was embarriced to bring her friends back whilst it was on) It was only through my mothers insistance that I ever got to watch News 24. (Dateline London was the best) Again, my sisters always used to run in and say...their might be a pop video on one of thirty music channels and they wanted to Channel hop till they found one.
Even here at Uni - the attention span is appaling. I'm lucky enough to be in the Interpol department - and all in all the Humanities and science students know their stuff. But the "Film Studies" students...
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 25th, 2002, 2:39pm » |
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on Nov 25th, 2002, 2:14pm, DAB wrote:The difficulty is in engaging our generation in Politics.
I'm lucky, I got involved in politics, work for political parties, go to conference and vote on measures (I even got the oppertunity to do a speech recently), and I have the oppertunity to stand in a local (and unwinable) seat in two years time. I'm involved. |
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Quote:But whilst I can say that to people on this forum...almost everyone I know falls asleep the moment I begin to talk about anything remotly political. My sister, who will have voting rights in a years time doesn't even know who the party leaders are. In a family conversation once, she once said "I know about politics...you're a member of that party led by that Scotish Block." I needed a stiff drink after that one.
The disinterest in current affairs. My A-Level Politics teacher insisted that we all watched Channel 4 news and/or Newsnight. Yet most of my peers tried to get through by watching Channel 5.
As for BBC Parliament. I used to watch some of the debates as they were broardcast...until my sister kept hiding the remote becuase (she was embarriced to bring her friends back whilst it was on) It was only through my mothers insistance that I ever got to watch News 24. (Dateline London was the best) Again, my sisters always used to run in and say...their might be a pop video on one of thirty music channels and they wanted to Channel hop till they found one.
Even here at Uni - the attention span is appaling. I'm lucky enough to be in the Interpol department - and all in all the Humanities and science students know their stuff. But the "Film Studies" students... |
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I suppose I'm quite lucky in that two of my best friends are quite(not to my degree, but they're willing to argue with me) interested, but other than everyone I know are the stereotypical ones who will get into politics for a bit at Uni, as it's 'cool' then, maybe even buy a a Che t-shirt, but will ultimately end up voting Tory when they're older...
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 25th, 2002, 4:59pm » |
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Allas always the way.
As for seats...its a small council seat that Plaid Cymru hold (and are unlikley to lose until hell freezes over). For some reason, unknown to the other parties - their is a By election almost every year, somtimes twice a year. So, rather then commit a seasoned candidate to a seat he can not win - they allow the older students who have shown commitment to the consituency over a long period to stand - so they get their foot on the first rung of the ladder. Therefore, they might let me have a go at it in my third year.
Odds arn't neccecerly in my favour though...will just have to wait and see.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 2nd, 2002, 08:11am » |
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Actually, I've just been reminded of a rather more sinister vision of our future leaders...
Remember that young Tory who was on Have I gOt News For You a few years ago? William Hague-incarnate, little prick...
Do you remember him?
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 2nd, 2002, 08:24am » |
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Ah yes - Robert Reed who "did his work experence at Conservative Central Office.
Haven't heard from him since.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 2nd, 2002, 08:27am » |
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Their was a Liberal kid who thought he was a master of the Soapbox.
Haven't seen much of him either (thankfully)
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 2nd, 2002, 10:39am » |
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Kids who rise that quickly are ALWAYS obnocscious little things. William Hague has stayed that way...
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on Dec 2nd, 2002, 10:39am, O wrote:| Kids who rise that quickly are ALWAYS obnocscious little things. William Hague has stayed that way... |
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I'm not so sure about William Hague - I always felt it was the right of the party rather then him setting the agenda. I get the impression that the real William Hague is a bit more to the Left then the Conservative Party was.
As for these kids, they are members of the party for a young age becuase Daddy brought them their membership and infact they have little idea of what they actually believe. They accept the party line as gospal and fail to understand what they stand for. The only reason they ever get ahead is because daddy arranges for them to work with his firend. 
...then they turn 21 and fail the Approved Candidates Selection Procees because they have no substance.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 3rd, 2002, 03:08am » |
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True, Hague had nowhere to go, but his general initiatives were plain stupid and seedy, just like his speach aged 7(or whatever it was)...
Yeah, um, I used to drink 15 pints a day. Woooh, youth vote...
You've no idea how true the 'my daddy' effect is. My friend is going to Cambridge, and he was disgusted at those on the humanities courses, they were ALL like that...
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 3rd, 2002, 12:04pm » |
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people in power now are increasinly baby-boomers, who back in the day were overwhelmingly left-wing ... but they moderated and diverged over time.
im 18, i would imagine our generation could be more polarized but i think people in the 60s and 70s probably thought the same thing. in our case, events may push people to extremes (in which i suppose i already reside), but i do not think that will happen naturally.
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 9th, 2002, 9:30pm » |
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i don't know about the whole british youth political landscape. But im gonna be 15 in a few days which is obviously almost 16 which means im almost in that 16-24 range, and i see basically three things in school, i see the majority of the youth that is politically indiferent and very ignorant which will grow up to be very centered aligned but prolly end up liberal. The jesus freaks that are of course republicans, and the kids who are vegetarians or extremely liberal and go for the green/far left but not communist ideal. I suspect the future to be much less bloody, and formal than it is today. younger presidents or whatever the main head of state is. Technology and the new modern look will replace the rich reserved look of the past 1 and half genrations. I just see this genration as really really caring or not at all. So it should be interesting.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 10th, 2002, 03:30am » |
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but, darkwonders, I think that the general apathy our generation has will mean that politicians will have to pursue more extreme policies to court support. In Britain, the main reasons cited for not voting were that one could not make a difference(maybe they'll change the voting system too) and that all the parties were the same, and I believe we will see a shift away from that in the next few years, otherwise very few under 50 will actually vote, so that each party, at least in the UK, has a separate and definable identity...
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